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so Margaret Mota will talk about

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exceptional experiences of healers a

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survey of Healing Touch practitioners

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okay I'm going to talk about the

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exceptional experiences of healers

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focusing on Healing Touch practitioners

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this is actually a photo class Healing

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Touch class he only touches a form of

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energy healing similar to like Reiki or

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Qigong and just to clarify that I'm

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basically an anatomist who got

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interested in energy healing actually an

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ICM conference I actually went to a

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Healing Touch demonstration and while I

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was sitting in the audience about the

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third row back I could feel this this

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wind the suction pulling me in and I

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thought oh my god what is this and so I

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started taking some of the classes out

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of curiosity and then eventually started

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doing research i've actually published a

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study on magnetic field changes during

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Healing Touch and so this is just sort

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of a progression of my interest in

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what's going on during Healing Touch is

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to look at their experiences in a

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Healing Touch was started by a group of

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holistic nurses and it sort of

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influences how they present themselves

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because they want to be known as a

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complimentary therapy working in

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hospitals and clinics for example I have

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one healing touch practitioner I've

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worked with as a nurse who does Healing

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Touch energy healing on patients while

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they're in a dialysis unit and so she

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has to be careful she can't pull out her

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pendulum she can't do woohoo stuff but

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basically she can provide comfort and

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energy healing actually in a hospital so

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that's what their goal is is to be in

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the mainstream medicine and because it's

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developed by nurses it has a nice

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standardized education there's five

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two-day workshops it's almost like a

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semester course that's been divided up

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across five weekends and between levels

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four and five students you have to do

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100 healing touch sessions and document

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them and write-ups

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but what interested me is that the

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exceptional experiences are pretty much

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hidden from view public view if you look

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at the two Healing Touch websites

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and healing beyond borders are the two

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big groups offering education and

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Healing Touch they don't really want to

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talk about these these unusual

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experiences but they'd look for them

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when the students write up their hundred

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cases they're looking for them is one

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example and actually I've gone through

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it I had a client who basically had

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trouble with depression and alcohol

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abuse and when I was trying to fill her

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filled with light her bio field

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basically the the field coexistent with

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there was a density actually in her

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field up in the head area and I tried to

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remove it with light eventually I had to

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use the light to dissolve the density

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and I put that in my write-ups and they

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were like good good you know because

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they're looking for extrasensory

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perceptions as evidence that you're

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you've got this energy healing sort of

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thing but they keep it hidden because

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they're working in hospitals so it's

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it's a balance and I it's it's even

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writing papers in this area I have to

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keep a balance between the paranormal

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aspect and then the mainstream medicine

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aspect it's a little tricky so anyway so

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experiences of healers and so I did I

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set up an online survey of Healing Touch

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practitioners to examine particularly

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the sensory unusual sensory visual

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auditory touch and out of ordinary

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experiences Healing Touch practitioners

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and students included students because I

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found in my earlier study of magnetic

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field activity that when they reached

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level four and sometimes level three

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they could begin to create changes in

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the magnetic field in the room so really

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didn't have to complete the curriculum

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before they could actually create

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so I was very interested it's some a

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neglected area is what is the

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development of a healer when are they

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really competent and when can they

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create change in a space in their

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training so it's it's a neglected area

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so I included them in this survey it was

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anonymous and voluntary and advertised

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through for example energy magazine

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survey 25 to 80 years old mean age 58

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years mostly female 88% female mostly in

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the USA 90% some Canada and other

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countries and across a 37 different

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states so a really a wide distribution

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of people who are participating and

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what's nice is because it's a

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standardized curriculum these people are

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all have received the same training

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overall 60% of the respondents were

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practitioners had completed the training

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and 40% were students the scale that I

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used was 37 closed-end questions Likert

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scale with higher scores indicating more

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frequent experience I was looking at how

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frequent particular experiences were I

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also had open-ended questions describing

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unusual experiences aged so I could get

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a visit something I was missing in the

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survey I would hopefully get it and it

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opened ended so this is just an example

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of some of the Likert scores these are

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mean averages for the practitioners and

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questions these are just a summary of

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these questions and then I include a

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actual responses and the open-ended

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questions that practitioners or our

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students have have basically written in

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where the most commonly reported most

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commonly frequently perceived we're

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sense of touch the big one and of course

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is warmth or heat basically and what

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intensity of the heat it's like a

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heating pad on high it's not the normal

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human being so that's what makes it

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exceptional there's other sensations

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like vibration pulsation they talk about

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pulsation through their hands they can

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feel pulsation when they're have their

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hands on it resting on a client

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moving their hands through the bio field

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above the client to feel areas that are

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heavier it's almost like going through

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printed practitioners and students that

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seems to be a more advanced skill being

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able to detect coolness and cold a

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prickly sensation maybe have something

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to do with electrostatic phenomena

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within energy healing the build up

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charge build up a body voltage and

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healing pushing pulling very reminiscent

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of that pulling experience I had

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initially that got me interested and

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these are just what was interesting was

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several of them talked about the diverse

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experiences that how they were described

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it bubbles buzzing stickiness thickness

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all the sort of sensations they feel

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expected that so I'm not sure what that

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symptom that sensation means just

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seven one versus in the threes basically

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that they saw guides in the room

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energy seeing sort of like a shimmering

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effect or mist basically arising while

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technique the chakras were less commonly

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in a class where a nurse got very

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excited she's like I see it I see and

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she saw this mist in the throat chakra

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basically but it's really less common to

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see actually see chakras than you would

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guides and mostly through the mind is

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communication through my mind and not so

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much my ears so some talked about

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actually hearing voices during sessions

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to the client later these are just

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really interesting all the different

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unusual sounds and the healers have

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heard pulsating energy vibrations tones

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popping multiple actually wrote about a

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pop sound that they would hear in the

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room when there was a release ringing

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unusual melodies to in the room

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color cover was um the smell or taste

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few you know very seldom that they would

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surprise they would have a distinctive

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odor in life and so that there that odor

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interpret it that the deceased loved one

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session so in one example is the cheery

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pipe tobacco now basically of one just

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one example an unusual scent I know

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they're just and I'm almost done now

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references of the the odor of sanctity

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of a holy person right before they died

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so it was interesting someone brought

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that out and their descriptions finally

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the major way that Healing Touch

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is through sense of touch with these

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other senses and contributing also and

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inner knowing now physical guides and so

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these this rich variety of experiences

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may offer clues to what we can measure

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healing touch instructor who basically

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went over my survey for me offered some

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suggestions a Healing Touch worldwide

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foundation and parapsychological

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experiments and I just wanted to say

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these sensations that people have and

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effects in the room and and where I'm

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mice it did some people felt something

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relationship to healing efficacy and and

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about it in a different way ya know I

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might actually the experience I'm doing

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output of healers and I'm actually

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finding that efficacy might be more

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related to their high frequency

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component of their HRV and also the reg

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and the magnetic field doesn't know it

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doesn't really show there may not show

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efficacy basically or you know so it's

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interesting and also I wanted from doing

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this I'm curious now I can sort of look

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at what's those sensations to basically

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study in more detail yes Margaret I'm

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wondering if you've ever made an attempt

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to correlate the work of Alexander

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Gurwitch and biophotons with healing

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touch stuff in the sensory perception of

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it yeah no I know there's photons and

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even adjoins and Duke did an interesting

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work no I thank you good no I actually

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I'd like to do light emission it's on my

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bucket list thank you for the

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interesting talk I have two questions

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the first one is does the healing touch

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work through surgical gloves and do you

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worry about transmission of mersa when

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you touch the patient's do you have any

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safeguards for that the other question

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is what instrument did you use to

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measure the magnetic field and what is

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well I'm looking at millivolts basically

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about nine millivolts max or something

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so it's very small very small I use a

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single axis magnetometer that's a hall

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the other question was was the healing

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touch worked through surgical gloves or

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do you wear surgical gloves is it

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necessary do you have any safeguards

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against transmission of Merced in the

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no there's generally the concept is more

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of there's an energetic transfer and so

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so what they do is they ground

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themselves after and they cut the

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connection they'll sometimes some

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healers may actually go to the wall and

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sort of ground anything they might have

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picked up they shake off stuff so it's

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an energetic transmission thought and

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actually years ago there was a talk--i

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dice seemed about some practitioners

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that had worked with a lot of cervical

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cancer patients and ended up getting

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cervical cancer and and I wonder was it

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if it wasn't microbe versus it was

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energetic so I'm not sure but yes but

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when you touch one patient and then you

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go and you touch another patient if that

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patient can see your cigars their hands

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afterwards that's what cause it's

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another way to cleanse the energetic